Sunday 30 March ride in Jackman

[attroll]

I suppose this thread needs to get started before Sunday.

Who is in on the Sunday group ride in Jackman and where do you suggest we meet at. Seeing most of us are staying in Jackman I suggest we meet in Jackman someplace.

We could meet at the airport, club house, Gulf gas station, or at Jackman Power Sports.

The next question is what would be a good time to meet for everyone?

I suggest the airport or the club house at 08:00 or 08:30 but I am willing to work with everyone on this.

We also need to decide on where we want to ride and how far we want to ride. How about this route. Jackman (ITS 89) and (ITS 88 ), Pittson Farm (Pittson Farm Trail), NE Carry (Moosehead Trail), Rockwood (ITS 88 ) back ITS 89 into Jackman.

This is a big loop and may be to much for those that want to be on the road heading home by 3 or 5. I am open to suggestions.

[Offshore24]

I'll probably trailer to the starting point. So we need a parking lot. Club house has breakfast and parking lot. Trail back of club up toward Canada is a great day starter. usually freshly groomed.

Good suggestion. They usually groom that the every night on the weekends.

[Tynan19]

I agree with Steve. Meet at the clubhouse. Alt 89 to the border is sick. The rest of the loop sounds great for the guys who haven't been to Jackman. That sounds like it will be right around 150-160 miles. Should be no problem for anyone to get back in time.

[strangeland2]

I ve never been to jackman so I dont care where we go.

[MaineSled]

I want to go so bad but I have to stick around because my 2 daughters are coming home from college and bringing my little cousin(22) with them and they all want to drag me up to Sugarloaf for some Reggae Music Fest thing - I think its just a excuse to drink for them - but seeing as they been at that stage where hanging with me isn't "cool" UNLESS they are going sledding,ATVing or cruising on the back of my HD I might as well take advantage of it, I get to snowboard with the kids and check out all the hot babes that are young enough to be my kids -- GOD it sucks getting old-lol-Happy sledding to those that are going and PLEASE bring a camera so you can post some photos for me to see as I will be going up either during the week or next weekend.

[Offshore24]

We made it!

Over 600 miles. In 2 half days and one full day of riding.

We saw a moose, dozens of deer, 2 locomotives, got stuck on a mountain, clambed and summited another mountain, and put in a 300 mile day.

Attrol, strangeland2, and gearhd6 are awesome guys to ride with. Tynan, keep your eyes on the road!:wallbash:


Tynan19's ride with a Mt Kineo backdrop. No we didn't climb that sucker.
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Tynan's ride stuck on Boundary Bald Mountain. We didn't make that one.
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Our rides at the top of Coburn Mountain. We made it up that one.
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GearHd6, strangeland2 and Attrol on Chesuncook Lake after the blizzard.
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Hello big boy. How'd you get out here in the Allagash?
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[GearHd6]

Awesome pictures Steve. I'm glad I was able to convince you to ride to the top of Coburn Mt. It took me putting on my helmet to convince you, damn that was tough! I had a blast! We'll definitely have to do it again.

[Tynan19]

I made it. Steve, is it bad to text and drive. Too exhausted to post. See you tomorrow. I am not sure if that was my last ride. Cool video Steve. "It wasn't pretty but I made it" you said.

[attroll]

Alright. Here is my part.

I put together a web page after doing a bunch of research on the Chamberlain Lake trains and added some of my photos. I did not include the high res photos in order to save bandwidth. Here is the page I put together. Chamberlain Lake Trains (http://www.netrails.com/tramway/)

[strangeland2]

I want to go so bad but I have to stick around because my 2 daughters are coming home from college and bringing my little cousin(22) with them and they all want to drag me up to Sugarloaf for some Reggae Music Fest thing - I think its just a excuse to drink for them - but seeing as they been at that stage where hanging with me isn't "cool" UNLESS they are going sledding,ATVing or cruising on the back of my HD I might as well take advantage of it, I get to snowboard with the kids and check out all the hot babes that are young enough to be my kids -- GOD it sucks getting old-lol-Happy sledding to those that are going and PLEASE bring a camera so you can post some photos for me to see as I will be going up either during the week or next weekend.

Hell I think if we knew that we would have went and hung out with you.

[strangeland2]

Notice the zip ties and emergency strap on the the kitty flap?
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/strangeland2/mainesledder057.jpg
They make great burgers
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/strangeland2/mainesledder013.jpg
Find this place and eat here. They serve those burgers above. Awesome ride to it and pretty cool place to sit and relax. Even if I did almost forget to pay.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/strangeland2/mainesledder016.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/strangeland2/mainesledder012.jpg
Start of our saturday ride I believe.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/strangeland2/mainesledder010.jpg
Ahh what a pretty orange blob. Never figure out why I always take these picture but i cant help it
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/strangeland2/mainesledder038.jpg

First picture on friday. As i was taking this picture I was stressing I was going to over heat. Guys behind us start yelling and fortunately I pulled the flap out of the track and the temp came down almost immediately. The flap kept getting sucked into the track though and had to do the zip tie thing in the other picture. Worked like a champ the rest of the trip.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/strangeland2/mainesledder001.jpg
This looked cooler in person
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/strangeland2/mainesledder031.jpg

[attroll]

Here is Casy's ride (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymjN5Mgr0Ac).

Here is Andrew's ride (http://www.youtube.com/v/5YBrbaA14qE). Waiting YouTube approval

Here is Steve's ride (http://www.youtube.com/v/i_Kh2_aXAm4). Waiting YouTube approval

[ewelin]

Glad you all had fun.... looks like some great riding conditions and some awsome places to go. Can't wait to see the other videos. LMAO.

[MaineSled]

Well STUPID ARSE WIPE that I am had my dates mixed up, I sat here all day wondering where the kids were and then after calling them....... come to find out it was not this past weekend its this up coming weekend for the Reggae Music&Micro Beer Fest-DUHHHH only me, deaf,dumb,blind and 1/2 a clue--Well at least from what I could see you guys had a blast--You guys on regular platform sleds-how'd you make out compared to the rider forward sleds? Did you notice as big a difference as I did, hitting bumps while following the rider forward sleds? Oh yeah for those who are interested I'll be putting up a post on the Reggae Fest info tomorrow.-----

[GearHd6]

You guys on regular platform sleds-how'd you make out compared to the rider forward sleds? Did you notice as big a difference as I did, hitting bumps while following the rider forward sleds? --

Haha, ask the REV platform riders how us regular platform riders made out. They'll be able to answer it better.

[Dix]

Did you guys take the Lobster/Poulin/Pine Stream roads route out to the lake house from NE Carry?

[Offshore24]

If we told you, we'd have to kill you.

[attroll]

Did you guys take the Lobster/Poulin/Pine Stream roads route out to the lake house from NE Carry?
Yes, that is the one we took.

[Dix]

If we told you, we'd have to kill you.

You'll have to deal with my bodyguards then. :mrgreen:

http://www2.badtux.net/uploaded_images/cat_gun-708064.jpg

http://regmedia.co.uk/2005/04/22/guncat.jpg

http://www.funnypictures.net.au/images/machine-gun-cat-animation.gif

[Tynan19]

Haha, ask the REV platform riders how us regular platform riders made out. They'll be able to answer it better.

I have got to say Jeff, you were pretty impressive this weekend on that XLT. I would have been toast, well I was toast when you borrowed my sled.

To answer your question Mainesled, all of the group could ride. Some trails we never went under 80. It was my first time riding the REV hard and it is unbelievable how much better you can ride on it. On Sat one trail was beat, 2 ft moguls and stutter bumps. I never went under 60. I was in shock.

[Tynan19]

Mileage was pretty intense. 200 Friday for 1/2 day, 300 miles on Sat, and 107 on Sun 1/2 day.

[GearHd6]

Sunday was more of a 1/3 day. We got going a little after 8am and done around 1pm. Not bad. And home by 7, nice!

[GearHd6]

Alright. Here is my part.

I put together a web page after doing a bunch of research on the Chamberlain Lake trains and added some of my photos. I did not include the high res photos in order to save bandwidth. Here is the page I put together. Chamberlain Lake Trains (http://www.netrails.com/tramway/)


Thats pretty informative. Great job! At least we now know what it was we rode out there to look at. Great pictures too.

[Offshore24]

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[strangeland2]

Haha, ask the REV platform riders how us regular platform riders made out. They'll be able to answer it better.


We did get a kick out of the the guys on the revs thinking they were the only people that could ride over bumps. http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii181/JoeAnnK/smilies/Laughing_001a.gif

While a certain rev rider was commenting on how bad it must suck to be riding riding the kitty said kitty rider had to point out the kitty was in front of them and not nearly as beat up. In all fairness though said kitty rider is under 30 years old haha.

[attroll]

In all fairness though said kitty rider is under 30 years old haha.
Yes I am glad you meantioned that.

[Tynan19]

Here Kitty. I wish I got the back flip on film.

[Tynan19]

I love the pic of Jeff and Steve discussing if they are going up.

[Tynan19]

Pics speak for themselves on the conditions.

[Tynan19]

I have a few hundred pics to go through. In the last pic Steve and I are refusing to go back to the cabin and leave.

[GearHd6]

Haha, I was trying to convince Steve to go up. Thats my story and i'm stickin to it.

[strangeland2]

The backflip was pretty damn funny.

At some point during the week end we were talking about a video of a guy riding in his yard and crashing into a wall... http://youtube.com/watch?v=H4S05F8RiaY&feature=related

[GearHd6]

Haha, Little late on the brake I guess.

[Offshore24]

I wasn't going to be the only one sitting there. Jeff pulled his helmet on, and it was a given.

[Snowgo666]

Nice pics boys though not enough stuck shots. No one got any good whizzing by the trail shots either. I love the Buffalo, but I'm sure they don't appreciate being turned into burgers for the tourists!

Glad you all got back safely!:claps::claps::claps::claps::whenitsdone:

[strangeland2]

Here is Casy's ride (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymjN5Mgr0Ac).

Here is Andrew's ride (http://www.youtube.com/v/5YBrbaA14qE). Waiting YouTube approval

Here is Steve's ride (http://www.youtube.com/v/i_Kh2_aXAm4). Waiting YouTube approval

I cant see my run up the hill on youtube? Am I the only one having this problem. The other two are working for me.

[Tynan19]

When I was home it said No longer Available. Here at work I cant even get on youtube. Is it easy to download a video on there? I want to put up my second video. We should have had a whole day to play around.

[GearHd6]

Yeah it says yours is no longer available.

[attroll]

I cant see my run up the hill on youtube? Am I the only one having this problem. The other two are working for me.
I have uploaded it to YouTube three times and it just will not work. I can not figure out why. Maybe it realizes that it is a Kitty.

[strangeland2]

I have uploaded it to YouTube three times and it just will not work. I can not figure out why. Maybe it realizes that it is a Kitty.

Guess youtube doesnt like making ski donts look bad. :-D

[attroll]

Guess youtube doesnt like making ski donts look bad. :-D
I just tried to upload it for the fourth time and each time is says "failed". I can watch it on my end with no problem from my hard drive. Andrew, If you want I can email it to you.

[Offshore24]

get ewelin to create an ftp site and we can all upload our pics and videos to that and download each others.

[Tynan19]

Sounds good Steve. I have a ton of pics.

[ewelin]

Steve and I are figuring some things out on a way to share the files... I'll get back to you on what we come up with.

[attroll]

get ewelin to create an ftp site and we can all upload our pics and videos to that and download each others.
Photos can be done Ewelin and I have discussed this before. Videos will take up a bunch of bandwidth if a lot of people start viewing them. Considering that the small videos I too of this trip were between 40 and 75 Meg each.

[ewelin]

Well we're talking about an external FTP server so that only those on the trip can upload/download all images. It'll allow us to put up any and all images we wish to share. I wanted to do this for our Rangeley trip as well, just got too tied up to complete setup.

[Tynan19]

That would be cool. Get er done.

[GearHd6]

I've already stolen all the pictures you guys posted. Shoulda copyrighted those....

[ewelin]

I'm running an idea by steve... we'll have it figured out tomorrow probably.

[Tynan19]

That is what I am afraid of. So who is in for next year? We will stay at Long Pond and ride from there all weekend. The place we stayed at slept 14 people and had 2 huge bathrooms. I want to keep going though. Ride to The County and back through the Allagash.

[GearHd6]

Whatever you've got in mind i'm up for it. This past weekend was a blast! Everyone rode great together.

I'm done for this season though, my sled is in about 4000 pieces. Its time to go through it top to bottom, sent the rear shocks out today to get rebuilt, rear skids out, clutches are apart, changed the chaincase oil and adjusted the chain. I'll do a compression test just to make sure everything is still good, its got 8600 miles on it now.

[Tynan19]

Damn, your good. Want to work on a 02 edge? Needs new rear rails and shocks rebuilt. Make sure that scratch gets buffed out.

[GearHd6]

I don't do the shocks because I dont have the nitrogen but I can do the rest.

Haha, oh yeah that scratch will get buffed out, no worries there. Par for the course after every season.

[ewelin]

Did you say it slept 14 ppl... as in 14 ppl in that entire place or 14 ppl in the joint you guys slept in?

[GearHd6]

Yeah the unit those guys stayed in slept 14 ppl. It was a duplex, their side was the smallest but the otherside had a full kitchen and more beds. Theres a door between the 2 sides so you can just walk from side to side. Pretty neat setup.

[Tynan19]

Yes our cabin slept 14. It would be perfect for 8 people or so. 14 might get crowded.

[attroll]

I am done for the season too. Although if I could finds the funds and someone to ride with I would go again this weekend. Since all grooming stopped today chances are everything after today will start going downhill real fast.

I am defiantly in for next year. The ride to the train wans probably one of the best rides I have ever done. I want to do that again for sure.

[attroll]

I could not get Strangelands video (http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm258/attroll/?action=view&current=MVI_0232.flv) on YouTube but I was able to get it on photobucket.

[strangeland2]

Wow did that thing trench.

[Tynan19]

What a difference between the sleds. Andrew, that was cool but man is that sled heavy. Steve, your video is up too, it looks like you were about to tip again.

[strangeland2]

HAHA You ll never hear me say its feels light.

[Offshore24]

What a difference between the sleds. Andrew, that was cool but man is that sled heavy. Steve, your video is up too, it looks like you were about to tip again.


Up where?

[ewelin]

youtube.... see attrolls previous post.

[Tynan19]

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=i_Kh2_aXAm4&rel=1&eurl=http%3A//www.mainesledder.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D1406&iurl=http%3A//i.ytimg.com/vi/i_Kh2_aXAm4/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskJvpzaQo9fVibMY7DdV3axN

[Tynan19]

A few more of individuals. I had the wrong setting on for the passing pics and I guess that XLT was going too fast to get one.

[Tynan19]

A few more.

[Tynan19]

Miss it already.

[attroll]

Steve your video should be here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Kh2_aXAm4.

[Offshore24]

I can't youtube at work. But i can photobucket.

[MA600SDI]

Hey Guys-
What a weekend you had!!! man I was biting my lip all weekend when it all fell apart for me, and then to have the offer come in from GearHd for a lift up right after my other half made plans....definitely looking forward to meeting everyone next year for a trip up north, and maybe some local riding too if we get another decent winter! From the speeds you guys clocked it looks like I might need a bit more seat time before joining you, but I'm getting more comfortable on my XP with every mile. (must have something to do with that broken shoulder 2 years ago on my maiden ride on my SRX!-LOL:wallbash:)
I have a good frind in Western MA who rides October Mtn state park, and we have been talking about getting VT passes for Woodford area, for day trips next year. Overnights have to be spaced with the kids and all, not to mention budget, but riding every weekend I can do if I do day trips too.
Great pics! If elwin figures out a way to post them all that will be great!
Getting ready to prep for summer storage myself- baseball starts next week. It's painful putting teh machine away-I think I did 650 miles this year. You did half that in a weekend!!!

[GearHd6]

I think we did 620 miles that last trip, so we've almost got your years mileage beat.

[Tynan19]

I think I did 650 miles this year. You did half that in a weekend!!!


Dave, Lol, if we pushed it on Sunday we would have had over 650 for the weekend. The 301 on my Gps is from Sat only. That is the most I have done in a day. Next year it will be 400-500 in a day I think.

[ewelin]

You guys got my yearly millage beat... I did only have one weekend of riding this year though.

[Tynan19]

Bump, just re-read this thread and it was some great reading. Bring on the snow and we should start planning a trip soon. Maybe a few different rides with options if some of the group wants to break off if needed.

[GearHd6]

I'm all for another ride. Just remember the poor guy that only gets 100 miles to a tank. He he.

[Tynan19]

I used to be that guy, so I know that feeling.

[ewelin]

I used to be the guy with a less than 100 mile on a fill up sled... Glad I no longer have that thing... would be near impossible to sell now. :lol:

[GearHd6]

I'd never sell my XLT anyway. Its been WAY too good of a sled to me and it owes me nothing. I'll still ride that thing anyway, it gets around 12-13 mpg which isn't to awful for a triple round slide engine.

[ewelin]

My 600HO was only getting between 8-10MPG and the 10 was on a good day. If I really road hard my millage would be even lower. It was pretty sad how much gas that sled used!

[Tynan19]

Is it winter yet?

[flatlander]

Only in all our hearts and souls!

[Tynan19]

So we all in for another ride? Suggestions?

[flatlander]

President's day weekend.

[Dix]

We've made our reservations for Snodeo 09.... & the kid & I are thinking of sledding up from here.

[Tynan19]

Don't think I want to be near Rangeley during the snodeo. I heard nothing but bad after that weekend last year.

[ewelin]

It's really not too bad, it just gets all of the bad press. As long as you're smart and go there realizing the trails are going to be packed it's a good time. I wish they had more activities going on... my wife has told me of some of the things they used to do like having the kids build snow sculptures and stuff like that.

[Offshore24]

It's death defying. Been there got the teeshirt. Offtrail is great in the Rangeley area. We should try some of that this winter.

[Tynan19]

In for the offtrail. For a group ride having the trails packed doesn't seem like a good idea. Well we could always do two rides like last year. Whats Wes got going on during the snodeo?

[flatlander]

I don't think my Grand Touring sleds would do real well on ungroomed trails!!!

[Tynan19]

Sure they would with the long track and all. We wouldn't do an offtrail group ride. Of course last year Eric tried it and it took us a 1/2 hour to get him unstuck. But it sure was nice having 3 to pull out a sled.
http://www.mainesledder.com/showthread.php?t=1256

[ewelin]

Whats Wes got going on during the snodeo?
Not sure yet... He's not thinking about snowmobiling yet... he's still got hunting season to get though. He got a Moose permit so that's his focus right now!
Sure they would with the long track and all. We wouldn't do an offtrail group ride. Of course last year Eric tried it and it took us a 1/2 hour to get him unstuck. But it sure was nice having 3 to pull out a sled.
http://www.mainesledder.com/showthread.php?t=1256Hey now... It only took us less than 10 minutes to get the sled out once you guys showed up... Of course it took me like 20 minutes to get out of the first hole. :lol:

I meant to mention, I stopped by that location when we were up there in Jly... where we cut the trees.... Yeah we cut them 4' from the ground! So the snow was probably 6-7' through there!!!

[Tynan19]

Holy @@@@ REALLY 7 FT easily.

[ewelin]

Yeah... well you figure we cut the trees off just below the track... and that was a good 2-3' below to top of the snow line...

[Dix]

Riding for Snodeo isn't so bad, if you plan it right.... Saturday is really the only "bad" day if you want to trail ride.

We go up Wed so we have a couple days before to get some riding in.

Saturday we'll just do the Pancake Breakfast, Poker Run & one of the pig roasts.

Then Sunday probably a quick ride up to Stratton/Eustis for lunch and then back to load up.

We've got a rookie going with us this year... always fun to see a 1st-timer's reaction to the number of sleds and all the mayhem. :mrgreen:

[ewelin]

And if you do ride on Saturday, the ride out of town will be good, but when you return that evening, expect beat up trails with the worst being the closest to town.

[attroll]

I have not come over here to this site in a long time. I kind of lose interest when there is not snow on the ground. I have other summer activities I am busy doing. It is good to see we still have a good group here.

I will not do a group ride in Rangeley during the snodeo weekend. If you guys want to don one during the snodeo you will do it without me. As Offshore said "been there done that" and have no desire to do it again. I see no need to do a group ride during the snodeo weekend. In Rangeley on snodeo weekend is best save for families and not group rides like we do. The best kind of riding on Rangeley's snodeo weekend will be anyplace but the Rangely area. Someplace like Jackman would be idea for that time frame.

I am all in for the tramway ride up the Chamberlain lakes again like we did last year. That one of my favorite rides.

[Tynan19]

Well if we all stay at Long Pond in Jackman we could make that ride although I want to ride somewhere different this year as we spent a lot of time in Jackman last winter. I wouldn't mind a ride in the Shin Pond and North to The upper County area.

[attroll]

We could stay in Millinocket. I stayed at Katahdin Cabins last year and the place was pretty nice. You can park you sleds in front of you cabin door.

[Tynan19]

How many have saddlebags?

[GearHd6]

I do! I've ridden from Carthage, ME to Caribou, rode one full day in Caribou, then back to Carthage in 5 days. Put on 1200 miles that trip.

[Tynan19]

Nice Jeff, makes it a lot more interesting. Of course we need to slow down on the bumps but it is still a good time.

[corkscrew]

whats "snodeo" ? is that a time and area that a 1st timer like myself needs to avoid???

[Offshore24]

I want to do that ride some time. Carthage up, maybe even to Fort Kent. The Island Falls are is nice too. Stayed with snowgo666 and his clan last year for Feb break. Place was connected condos, timeshares, they rent them. Has an indoor pool. No night life, but that's not what it's all about.

[Tynan19]

Sometimes it is Steve. Hey Brad they snodeo is basically a winter carnival on sleds. The town of Rangeley has sled races, rides, demos, fireworks and other festivities. There will be a lot of sleds in the town and surrounding areas during the event.

[ewelin]

Snodeo is a good event if you really love snowmobiles and go to it realizing you won't get a ton of riding time during the weekend.

[Offshore24]

Casey, I can count the nights you and I have spent out partying while sledding, on one hand. Both of those nights resulted in you trying to climb into the wrong bed, late getting up, and me trying to cough up a lung from reflux. Not exactly a poster for party-central.

[Tynan19]

Ha that is why I ride with you. You keep me in line.

[Dix]

Casey, I can count the nights you and I have spent out partying while sledding, on one hand. Both of those nights resulted in you trying to climb into the wrong bed, late getting up, and me trying to cough up a lung from reflux. Not exactly a poster for party-central.


And I thought I was the only one that boring. :mrgreen:

[Offshore24]

Of course we're still riding when most begin partying. Up with the sun and done when we're done. Generally 200 - 250 miles per day.

[flatlander]

Steve,

Whose bed was Casey trying to climb into? There's something going on North of the Hudson River that we don't know about! LOL!

[Dix]

Question is.... do you REALLY want to know???? :mrgreen:

[Dix]

Of course we're still riding when most begin partying. Up with the sun and done when we're done. Generally 200 - 250 miles per day.


Gotta love a little "night mission"...

The Kid & I headed out at about 9:00 Saturday night last year during Snodeo to put on a few extra miles... we got back about 10:30 & walked into the motel room with frost having formed on the inside of our helmets. (ok, so it WAS -10F)

His mother just looked at us & shook her head... "You're BOTH nuts" :mrgreen:

But... the only thing we ran into the whole way was a groomer coming out of Oquossoc.

[Tynan19]

I don't remember I think Steve's. He didn't want to cuddle though.

[flatlander]

I uhh think that if we can all get together for a group ride this winter I uhh will bring up the rear, Casey and Steve can ride out front! LOL!

[Dix]

I uhh think that if we can all get together for a group ride this winter I uhh will bring up the rear, Casey and Steve can ride out front! LOL!


But think of how fast you might go if you were leading. :mrgreen:

[flatlander]

Neither my 500 or the 600 Touring will out run their sleds! I'm better off riding in the back! LOL!

[Offshore24]

I don't like that picture. it's not right.

[flatlander]

Steve,

Put yourself in my shoes, do you think I could be comfortable with a "friend" of our ex-govnah, who tried to entice Casey into his bed, bringing up my rear?

I'm glad there's back rests that can be used to protect me some what! LOL!

[Offshore24]

Dude, if your a$$ is dragging that much I don't think my back could take bringing it up.

[flatlander]

Trust me, my a$$ is dragging, I can't wait until Tuesday and the Doc fixes this dam_ shoulder! I told him today he could cut it open up with a dull butter knife, just give me a stick to chew on while he did the job!

Just joking about you bringing up the rear!