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Tynan19
May 02, 2006, 10:21 PM
Taken from HCS.



It's ironic how easy it is for these scum bags to skew the truth and lump snowmobiles with ORV's...

This green rhetoric is comical but it scares me that some believe it.....

Read on!!!!!!!!


Tuesday, May 02

To the Editor of THE Berkshire EAGLE:-

In his recent letter urging ORV riders to protect access to trails in state forests, Bruce Wood raises several interesting points. I agree that illegal trail use by ORVs and dirt bikes is a serious problem, and that greater enforcement of regulations restricting use of ORVs on state land is essential. Better enforcement will require more funds that should be generated by higher registration fees for ORVs and significant fines for illegal use, rather than higher taxes.

Mr. Wood thinks it is unfair that Massachusetts has used tax dollars to fund the Ashuwillticook trail without providing access to ORV riders. This abandoned railroad was formerly a refuse-lined corridor used by a very small number of ORV riders. Currently, the trail is lovingly maintained and enjoyed every day by an enormous number of hikers, runners and bikers; it is a wonderful place for families to spend time together and meet neighbors.

It is also a major tourist attraction that draws many visitors to Adams. It could not function as a magnet for outdoor recreation if it were open to ORVs. As the town of Adams develops Greylock Glen, it should use the enormous success of the Ashuwillticook trail as a model and work with the state to ban ORVs, including snowmobiles, in Greylock Glen and Greylock State Reservation to boost tourism.

ORVs must be registered to operate legally on state land. Currently there are 23,444 in-state and 3,507 out-of-state ORVs registered. There are approximately 6.4 million residents in Massachusetts, so the legal in-state ORV riders represent less than four-tenths of one percent of the population and legal out-of-state riders hardly count as a boon to tourism.

As the entire nation worries about the obesity epidemic, it seems entirely reasonable for the state to fund the Ashuwillticook trail and make it available to 99.6% of the population. If ORV use was effectively restricted and the trails were improved, residents would be eager to hike and ski in the state forests and tourists searching for outdoor recreation would bring in much-needed revenue to Berkshire County.

The Environmental Protection Agency estimates that nationally 10 percent of vehicle hydrocarbon emissions are generated by dirt bikes, snowmobiles and all-terrain vehicles. Snowmobiles account for 90 percent of emissions in Yellowstone National Park, no stranger to passenger vehicles and RVs. The California Air Resources Board estimates that using an ORV with a two-stroke engine for seven hours generates as much smog-producing pollution as driving a modern car more than 100,000 miles. As a society, we need to reduce greenhouse gases that cause global warming, and a relatively painless way to make a tremendous difference is to limit or ban ORV vehicle use on state land.

Let the Department of Conservation and Recreation (ORV.feed back@state.ma.us) and your state representatives know how you feel so that they can effectively negotiate with the small but vocal and well-organized ORV special interest group.

PAUL KARABINOS

bearqst
May 02, 2006, 11:19 PM
Man, he's retorhic BS just Tees me off. Life would be so much better if all the scumbag lieing greenies, such as this guy, would just go dig a cave in the Sierra Nevavda Mountains and stay there eating bugs and tree bark while dressing in grass skirts.

His comments, insinuating obesity is in part related to all us lazy sledders who don't get enough exercise because we ride and don't walk. BS.. I get a good work out and sweat on every sledding trip I take.

And his blantant lie about the emmissions of sleds is even worse. He is referring to a flawed test performed by an environment group who used a 20 year old lawn mower and said the results from their test are the same as that of a sled, but they never really tested a sled. The EPA proved that the test was flawed and in-correct in its findings.

And while were at it, it has been proven that hikers cause more econlogical damage to the natural terrain than a snowmobile.

Points of reference:

http://www.aksnow.org/modules.php?name= ... impact.htm (http://www.aksnow.org/modules.php?name=Snowmobile_Resources&page=impact.htm)

http://www.aksnow.org/modules.php?name= ... ssions.htm (http://www.aksnow.org/modules.php?name=Snowmobile_Resources&page=emissions.htm)

Sorry all, it's just that we get a lot of this up here in the north country and it just hits me wrong when they have to resort to lies to try and get their point across and make all sledders to be the bad guys.

Triple650indy
May 03, 2006, 07:58 AM
I find it hysterical, how they try and make a point by bringing up obesity. Not to generalize, but people who are overweight are usually lazy, and it wouldn't matter whether they had a trail out their back yard or not.

If ORV use was effectively restricted and the trails were improved, residents would be eager to hike and ski in the state forests and tourists searching for outdoor recreation would bring in much-needed revenue to Berkshire County.

Rigggggghhhhhhht?

Snowmobiles account for 90 percent of emissions in Yellowstone National Park, no stranger to passenger vehicles and RVs.

HA! They've never seen the lines of RV's and cars waiting to get into the park! Plus what other emissions are they counting, if you think about it, you don't have industry in Yellowstone, and you don't have 10 hiways plowing through there like LA. So this stat is a joke. :lol:

The California Air Resources Board estimates that using an ORV with a two-stroke engine for seven hours generates as much smog-producing pollution as driving a modern car more than 100,000 miles.

What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl: You have got to be kidding. That is about the most rediculous thing I've heard. You are talking about running a car for years to get 100,000 and they are comparing that to running a sled 7 hours!

well-organized ORV special interest group

Since when are these clubs that well organized?

Anyway, this guy is a :censored: looser!

ewelin
May 03, 2006, 08:33 AM
wow some ppl.... Think he would have checked some facts before putting that into writing... It's a shame that most ppl will believe that BS though :-(

Tynan19
May 03, 2006, 08:49 AM
Eric that is the problem, most people will believe it. This area that the letter talks about Mt Greylock Reservation is the area surrounding the tallest mountain in Massachusetts. It is only a little over 3,000 ft but it is a beautiful area. I would hate to see this area sht down to snowmobiles because it is where we can ride late in the season.

ewelin
May 03, 2006, 08:55 AM
is there any info on fighting this... I haven't been on HCS in a month or so... so i definitely haven't seen this thread yet... what's come of it on there.

Tynan19
May 03, 2006, 10:23 AM
It was just posted. I think all it is, is a letter to the editor anyways but it may turn into a common goal among greenies not sure.

Tynan19
May 03, 2006, 10:29 AM
Great post by a local rider.

I see a lot of ignorance in the local rags lately and it irritates the **** out of me. The truth of the matter can be summarized correctly as follows:

Before the Ashuwillticook trail there was a rail bed in disrepair. The local snowmobile club – Berkshire Snow Seekers, cleared, brushed and repaired the trail. It was our major corridor trail linking Greylock, Pittsfield and Windsor State forest. For a decade this rail trail was maintained only by a snowmobile club – and groomed for everybody’s use. Then came the Ashuwillticook trail plan. It was fine with the snowmobile club because we were included in the usage plan – well right up until the very end anyway. The politico’s stabbed the snowmobiler’s in the back by making impossible demands on them. Secondly during the winter there are no tourists in Adams, not via the rail trail anyway, most tourists spend their dollars at the local ski slopes. Snowmobiler’s, spend money – via rooms, gas, repairs and eats. This easily out ways anything this meat ball is talking about.

Now Greylock, the highest elevation in Mass - This road is groomed by moneys generated by snowmobiler’s. CC skiers and snowmobiles have co-existed for decades. Its also ironic when a CC skier gets lost on the mountain, search and rescue, calls the snowmobile club. I hope Mr. KARABINOS gets lost on October Mtn. – I’ll let him freeze for a while before I go looking… Dick head!

His comments on Families – hummm – snowmobiling is a family sport around here. Pollution??? - Ever here about EPA fleet mandates – 4 stroke, sdi two strokes…

I could go on and on but you all here are more informed than dick heads like this. Mr. Karabinos, do us all a favor and try skiing off the east face of Greylock and we will be rid of your ignorance… errrrrrr!

Tynan19
May 03, 2006, 10:29 AM
Looks like the local club got screwed.

artiksno340
May 03, 2006, 10:30 PM
I've had just about enough of these tree huggers :evil: Are they getting some kind of sick pleasure out of trying to ruin our sport?